random to key from password

[Sam Hartman]

>>>>> "Nicolas" == Nicolas Williams <Nicolas.Williams at oracle.com> writes:

    Nicolas> On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 04:42:14PM -0400, Sam Hartman wrote:
    >> The KDC prefers AES to DES.  So, you'll never be able to use the
    >> DES key for much, but it exists and you can somehow get some text
    >> to attack it.

    Nicolas> How would you get that ciphertext?  
Claim to be a client that only supports DES.  This is a random
key--allowing use as a client is supposed to be reasonable even without
preauth.